<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623545849600701309</id><updated>2009-10-02T03:18:12.122-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Church and State</title><subtitle type='html'>Expounding on the topics of both the Church and State and the complex interactions between the two</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thechurchandstate.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5623545849600701309/posts/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thechurchandstate.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Trey Orndorff</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06665587260892133253</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>6</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623545849600701309.post-8703155643747937911</id><published>2007-10-04T08:02:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2007-10-04T08:02:46.272-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Are We Really Democratic?  The Story of Primaries</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Once again its election season – as if it ever isn’t election season – and questions swirl around candidates like the growing fall leaves.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But there is a more, dare I use the pun, primary issue to be addressed:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;just how democratic are we?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Typically these lines of argument come from two sources:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Iran and socialists.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am neither Iranian nor am I a socialist.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I do, however, recognize the flaws of our system. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;These system flaws are not so much due to the procedural system, i.e. our mode of Republican representation, but rather the larger system interplay of parties, the media, and campaign election law.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Currently in Russia the television media will only cover Putin’s party, giving only minimal or negative details of other parties.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We rightly decry this as anti-democratic.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What about our own media?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The newspaper here at Miami University did an interesting little study of the primary debates – not even down to two candidates here – and found mainstream candidates received five times or more speaking time.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Pollster.com notes this make-up of words spoken by candidates: “1,872 - Senator Obama; 1,766 - Senator Clinton; 1,518 - Senator Edwards; 1,281 - Governor Richardson; 1,180 - Representative Kucinich; 961 - Senator Biden; 912 - Senator Dodd; 753 - Senator Gravel.”&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;How representative is that?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And if the argument is they should receive more time because they are “mainstream” candidates, does that not beg the possibility that they are mainstream candidates because of the special treatment?&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;But our media is ‘free’ the argument goes, Russia Putin controls it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Does that not just make it all the more suspect?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In Russia to become one-sided it requires overt control.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Our media just plays the ploy willingly.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They don’t even take the bribe!&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Whose is really worse?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Our entire system is biased towards specific candidates chosen, not by any public input, but rather the perception of public input created by political and media elites.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Polls do not pick front runners, media framing artificially creates poll numbers.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The causal arrow is pointing the wrong way.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Yet, we blindly assume that not to jump on the poll boat is to ‘throw away’ a vote.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Nader made a worthwhile observation in 2000.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He noted when Bush receives a lot of votes no one argues he “stole” them from Gore.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But when he, Nader, gets votes, he must have ‘stolen’ them from Gore.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The assumption is that the two parties ‘own’ the votes and anyone else who gets them is stealing private property.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;What is the solution?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Vote in primaries.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Vote against mainstream candidates.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Those will be nice individual protests, but what is needed is a systemwide change.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As long as the system is set up to bias one, or in our case two, parties, they will continue to win.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It isn’t only in Russia where they “fairly steal elections.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5623545849600701309-8703155643747937911?l=thechurchandstate.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thechurchandstate.blogspot.com/feeds/8703155643747937911/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5623545849600701309&amp;postID=8703155643747937911' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5623545849600701309/posts/default/8703155643747937911'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5623545849600701309/posts/default/8703155643747937911'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thechurchandstate.blogspot.com/2007/10/are-we-really-democratic-story-of.html' title='Are We Really Democratic?  The Story of Primaries'/><author><name>Trey Orndorff</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06665587260892133253</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='03688135104785145235'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623545849600701309.post-9205401148193450670</id><published>2007-09-20T17:46:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-09-20T17:47:19.910-07:00</updated><title type='text'>What is Our Christianity</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;It may seem an odd question to ask, but what is our Christianity?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am not speaking here of institutional methodology.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Before that question lies this more important question of fundamentals.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;On the one hand as Christians we are individual:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;faith is between me and God.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Justification is singular since the time of the Jews.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Yet, we are called to come together and somehow to interact with other individuals.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Here is the institution.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There seem to be two important junctures in this process.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The first is the tenets of our individual belief with God.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Before anything else comes what we believe and here is where I either am or am not a Christian.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Even if we choose Christianity, however, the question is not finished.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Now comes that messy institutional question:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;how should I relate to other self-proclaimed individual Christians.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What is my relationship to others who wish to, and freely can, take the name of Christian?&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The second question, of how I relate to other questions, is colored completely by the first.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As much as we would all strive to see a unified body, as long as people answer question one differently there will be no unity.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;How, therefore, do we achieve a body in a fragmented implementation of the message of the New Testament?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Is not the ultimate position to reduce ourselves back down to individuals standing before the Almighty God?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Yet we have rejected this position.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And we have simultaneously rejected the possibility of unity.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What option is left?&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The option is the mishmash we have before us:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;the Christian smorgasbord of variety, a flavor for every desire; if taken to its extreme we are back to complete individuality.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But can we bend ourselves to the will of the collective desire of the Church?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What even is the collective desire of the Church?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;One, I suppose, could argue that it is the institutional structure.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;For Catholics this would be there Pope and the hierarchy -- bending one’s will to meet the needs of the Church. Yet the Church, even the Catholic Church, changes position.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So even here, how should one ‘lobby’ the Church?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If one looses the lobby what does this mean?&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;One solution to this issue is to accept every individual as is.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This would be our postmodern brethren in some respects.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Nobody can find consensus so every individual can mush together what helps him.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Of course, then what defines Christianity?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If it is everything, then it is nothing.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So we must impose structure at some level as Christians.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There are some things we agree upon that are “Christian” and others which are “non-Christian.”&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Of course, who exactly is ‘we’?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And by defining ‘we’ have we not defined ourselves?&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;For every “externally focused” outward looking Church the world is filled with pre-Christians and we are attempting to lasso them into ourselves.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We have started to do this quite well.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In the process we have lost who we are.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We have left behind what defines us and ties us together!&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Christians should gather together for the purpose of Christianity.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Not for any other purpose.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Then, as one becomes a Christian he will become part of our dysfunctional body.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But at least we will know what that body is.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This is not a smorgasbord. &lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As much as I want others to become part of my family, they have to be willing to be adopted.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They have to accept what it means to be ‘us.’&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;And I think it is in this process whereby people accept certain tenets that allow them to enter our extended Christian family.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It will define who we are, even while others attempt to deconstruct us.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If deconstructed we will be atomized!&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Left wandering in the desert, only this time, alone.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As wrong as our structures can get, we need them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And the structures require us.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Within that interaction is what it means to be Christian.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5623545849600701309-9205401148193450670?l=thechurchandstate.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thechurchandstate.blogspot.com/feeds/9205401148193450670/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5623545849600701309&amp;postID=9205401148193450670' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5623545849600701309/posts/default/9205401148193450670'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5623545849600701309/posts/default/9205401148193450670'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thechurchandstate.blogspot.com/2007/09/what-is-our-christianity.html' title='What is Our Christianity'/><author><name>Trey Orndorff</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06665587260892133253</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='03688135104785145235'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623545849600701309.post-8588590002725224532</id><published>2007-09-19T15:55:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-09-19T15:56:35.296-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Understanding Change in Church</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Churches are undergoing a radical change!&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I am confident in such a statement because Churches are always undergoing change.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;No sooner will have one change been initiated than another will fill its void:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;for all of time it will be safe to print the words “church is changing.”&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;One could become hung up on the particularistic nature of change.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That is we could analyze endlessly the newest change and what it is bringing to the table, but this is patently unnecessary, and limiting.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Because whatever particular change is being discussed will only last until the next change!&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The larger, and largely ignored, question is:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;why do Churches change?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And can we categorize and understand those whys in a systematic manner?&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Clearly, such a project is beyond the scope of a blog, but the beginnings of questioning it are not.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Examine any particular church movement. One recent example is mega-church phenomenon.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is now giving way to an emergent church.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Why?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Some might argue that changes occur do to worldview shifts.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Many might argue that the mega-church is the pinnacle of the modernist movement and the emergent is the new postmodern times finally coming to fruit.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This, quite frankly, is analytic drivel!&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It’s a post hoc attempt to justify change as opposed to truly understand it in any meaningful way.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The era of modernism may indeed have been in many eras of life been surpassed by postmodernism, yet postmodernism is passing away and in its place is arising neomoderism.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Postmodernism is a dead topic used by the Church a generation too late to explain a change which would have occurred regardless of worldview. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The driving force in American culture is consumerism.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We buy things.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We are entertained.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And if we get bored with those two we build things – big things.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The mega-churches were the natural result of making church consumer minded.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The unchurched were our target sales group and we pitched Vegas shows to them with some success given the number whom attend those churches.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The only difference between a mega-church and a mall is that the church helps you with parking.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;A trend at which malls everywhere should be looking.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is nothing inherently “modern” about consumerism.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is a cultural phenomenon.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What about those newest groups that grow funny beards and call themselves Emergent?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Are they the escape of consumerism?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;No, they are merely the newest form of it.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Look at ads.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What does Nike sell?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Shoes or an attitude?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Attitude, but, by the way to get that attitude you are going to need our shoes.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Consumerism has changed and emergent churches are the first churches to import the trend.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They are selling “spirituality” for the newest generation like the mega-churches sold “church” to the boomers.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Neither is particularly Biblical, but that is kind of beside the point when you are trying to sell something.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In the case of our newest church ‘movement’ it is spirituality.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Is it radically different from selling church?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;No.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But changes are rarely radical.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;What does this tell us about change then?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;For one it shows that church institutions mimic successful institutions around them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There are historical reasons why the Catholic Church has a hierarchical structure.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Neither is it a surprise that New World churches would be congregational.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Now, in an age when the newest forms of power are wielded from sources of economic position, it is no surprise to see the CEO model Church.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And just like Silicon Valley and Toyota revamped organizational structure to sell attitude, so too is the emergent church mimicking this newest organizational model.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If we want to understand the future changes in the church we should look at the successful organizations of today.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Because ten years from now, some minister or congregation will be barrowing the idea and church will ‘change’ once again.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5623545849600701309-8588590002725224532?l=thechurchandstate.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thechurchandstate.blogspot.com/feeds/8588590002725224532/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5623545849600701309&amp;postID=8588590002725224532' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5623545849600701309/posts/default/8588590002725224532'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5623545849600701309/posts/default/8588590002725224532'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thechurchandstate.blogspot.com/2007/09/understanding-change-in-church.html' title='Understanding Change in Church'/><author><name>Trey Orndorff</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06665587260892133253</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='03688135104785145235'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623545849600701309.post-5437842468924703156</id><published>2007-09-10T06:48:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-09-10T06:49:19.522-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Church</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Here is a particularly interesting question:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;the nature of the church.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The purpose here is to talk about the church in its more general, larger, sense.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is to ponder what makes our evangelical or quasi-evangelical church what it is.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;At its most basic the church is an intersection between institutional arrangements and Christians.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is Christians carrying on their business.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In the strict Biblical terms, the church is the body of believers.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Yet, church as we understand it in the contemporary complexion has taking on this second element of institutional arrangements.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Even for a church attempting to restore New Testament practices this second element has become intertwined into the church.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;In some senses, the institutional arrangement has becoming a more primary structural force than the individual Christians in the western world.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Why?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Because in a marketplace or consumer culture churches are not static.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In a globalized word, even if people were loyal to churches, they would inevitably move and shift.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What becomes permanent in a shifting people world?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Institutional arraignments.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Likewise, churches – for better or worse – have allowed institutional arraignments to define them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Paradigms of church structure are always the buzz words in the evangelical world because institution is paramount.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Throughout time it seems churches have been in a two-way equation with political and cultural; effecting culture and politics, but also barrowing heavily.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Is it any surprise that in the United States almost all churches are predicated around some time of voting system?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Democracy of some flavor or another is the norm in our part of the world and our church institutions reflect it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But even this does not really characterize church.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is this fundamental marketplace mentality which defines churches because it is this mentality which leads to institutions.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The primacy of religious institutional structure is the defining characteristic of the church.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In essence, church is defined by the institutional structure it creates or steals (in the intellectual sense of the word).&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Even just cursorily such a proposition seems likely.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In a world where people move from denomination to denomination without thinking twice can we really positive theology or doctrine is the defining characteristic of the church?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In an era where to name your church with a group is paramount to heresy can it honestly be stated the church is defined by non-institutional means?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I doubt it.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Church has become defined by the way it is arraigned.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;A family seeking a church look at the institutional structure to decide of what value it is.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Therefore the church has stressed institution over doctrine.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If consumers look at it providers must change – the invisible hand of the market at play.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;But how should church be?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What should church really look like?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;A beginning response might be the restoration of the New Testament.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Of course this raises the question of the possibility of true restoration.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Probably the most fundamental restoration would need to be a shift from institutional to doctrine and people, i.e. Christians and beliefs.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Is this possible?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I doubt I could offer a cogent answer.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is easy enough to criticize the numerous fallacies that arise from a market driven church and it is relatively simple to offer a normative ideal, but it is entirely different to understand the implication or possibilities of that normative position functioning in an empirical world.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In essence, are we doomed to be tied inexorably to the primacy of institution?&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;I think it is possible, although difficult, to rise above the mentality of our political culture.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It would start with reinforcing belief over institution.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Institutions do not need to be the primary dialogue in our churches, because that is and will continue to be the trend anyway.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Proper institutional structures should flow necessarily from proper doctrine.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If the focus is on doctrine and belief, institutions will follow, but they will cease to be our defining characteristic.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The discourse of churches therefore needs to be shifted as one step.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Another would be a shift from corporate structure.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As long as churches mimic corporations, they will tend to mimic the marketplace features in which corporations operate.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This to, I believe, would be a side-effect of focusing on doctrine.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;For now, regardless of normative postulating, churches are defined by institutional arrangements.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Willow Creek models, emerging church paradigms and a variety of other structural positions will be fundamental to what is ‘church’ regardless to what it should be.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;While doctrine will seem jumbled and bizarre, institutional arraignments will be seen as the new doctrine.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The post-modern church is one where meaning, like all post-modern life, has lost meaning in search of the illusive image.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Instead of remaining adrift in this sea it has anchored itself to institution.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This is the church.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5623545849600701309-5437842468924703156?l=thechurchandstate.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thechurchandstate.blogspot.com/feeds/5437842468924703156/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5623545849600701309&amp;postID=5437842468924703156' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5623545849600701309/posts/default/5437842468924703156'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5623545849600701309/posts/default/5437842468924703156'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thechurchandstate.blogspot.com/2007/09/church.html' title='The Church'/><author><name>Trey Orndorff</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06665587260892133253</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='03688135104785145235'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623545849600701309.post-1498092755486044654</id><published>2007-08-30T16:58:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2007-08-30T16:58:43.209-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The State</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Before launching into a series of isolated topics surrounding the church and the state it seemed worthwhile to introduce the basic framework for the discussion on each in separate essays.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The hope is that this will make explicit the typically veiled topic position.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Here, in a condensed form, is my comprehensive understanding of the empirical thing, the state, and the normative position of what it should do.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This outline is an attempt to answer the questions that inevitable come when tackling any more micro-level question:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;how does this fit into the larger conceptual framework?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This is that conceptual framework.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is worth noting that we are talking not about what, in the United States, we call states (smaller divisions of the country), but rather to a term encompassing country. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The state, for a bit of political science terminology, is the transcendence of government.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;A particular government is not the state.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The state is the larger concept which encompasses government.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Government is a particular set of institutions and bodies.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The state is all of that plus.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Formally modeling the concept of stateness here is not necessary.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What is more important is the scope of the state.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What should the bounds of state be?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Where, to use an old phrase, is the water’s edge?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What defines the area of state?&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;It is my understanding of that the American state has been unique.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Our evolution has been a unique process, an ongoing process, into the limits and boundaries of state.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This American process has been to limit state activity in order to promote private activity.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Like a weed the state is not easily pruned and it suffocates other forms of activity whenever it grows into a new area of life.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In order to limit this strangulation the original intent of the state was minimalistic.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Our smaller states were, in essence, to compete.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Why?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Because in competing they forced more dynamic state definition.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is easier to prune smaller weeds if the need arises.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This was the intent of the constitution.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Like all things, however, this conceptualization of state ended the moment the constitution as a document was no longer merely words on a page, but ratified law.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Law must be applied and many wanted law to expand – allowing for a larger conceptualization of stateness.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Chief Justice Marshall opened the door for this conceptualization in a multitude of his cases beginning with Marbury v Madison.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The constitution, although written, was forever to be a document in flux.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What this meant is that the borders of stateness were not fixed; they would be forever floating within a range.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Not quickly, or rapidly, but slowly like a glacier the definition of state could be altered.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Although we have a written constitution, this free floating border, has allowed us to fundamentally change the nature of state in our country.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Slowly over time this minimalistic state engulfed all sovereigns within its path and became the monolith that it is today.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In recent times the Rehnquist court attempted to cut the corners from the state – to pull it back ever so slightly.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Which leaves us with the fundamental question of our time:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;what is the future of the state?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Indeed this is the question for every time because it is, at least as long as we continue in our current manner, not a fixed pillar.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;This is the brief history of the American state.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But what of our normative framework?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What value should be placed on the state?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If the state is, as many would argue, the catalyst for positive then its growth should be praised and welcome.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Conversely, if the state is truly a danger, then its increase should bring nothing but worry.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The fundamental problem with the state is it forces homogeneity.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It generates singularity by necessity and destroys, if I dare utter the word, diversity in its path.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The state cannot allow for variation.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Law is law.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Once a thing has been incorporated into the domain of the state it must become fixed.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Then, to change whatever this thing is, is to change the state.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The larger the state becomes, the more difficult this process of state change. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;An example may well illuminate the situation.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;When the church was considered part of the state apparatus how many churches were there?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The situation tended to be limited because the state required uniformity within its domain.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It required &lt;i style=""&gt;a&lt;/i&gt; church.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Even on a topic with range, think of airwaves.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Television is regulated by the state.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;While there is room for limited variety television, because of its domain, is television regardless of the station.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Post-offices are post-offices.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There is no variety.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The state, as noted earlier, takes things and makes them immutable without a change to the state itself.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Where then is the normative framework it may be asked?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It lies here, if the desire is for a world devoid of the most basic element of human nature – variation – then the state can achieve this.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If, however, we wish to keep our humanity the state cannot become all encompassing.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As the state increases, the range of variation in humanity decreases.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This is exactly what is necessary in limited cases.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;There cannot be variation of humanity in murder, rape, and theft for instance.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Here the great singularity of the state is not only necessary; it is required for society to continue.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Where then is the point where the line need be drawn?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Or more aptly, the wall be constructed to keep the state out?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I, like the famous John Stuart Mill, find that normative point to be where my variation conflicts with your variation.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Or, in his words, my freedom to swing my cane ends where your nose begins and at this point the state also begins, because here we need singularity (See J.S. Mill’s &lt;i style=""&gt;On Liberty&lt;/i&gt; for more).&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;As I look into the world of state action I am examining through this conceptual framework.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It contains both empirical and normative aspects and it explains well the nature, purpose, and use of the state.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As we look at the world today we need to examine it through this lens.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What is the role of the state?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;How does this role affect our humanity?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Our freedom?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What actions should &lt;i style=""&gt;government&lt;/i&gt; take to ensure that the state stays within its domain?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This is where we will be headed with the state.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5623545849600701309-1498092755486044654?l=thechurchandstate.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thechurchandstate.blogspot.com/feeds/1498092755486044654/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5623545849600701309&amp;postID=1498092755486044654' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5623545849600701309/posts/default/1498092755486044654'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5623545849600701309/posts/default/1498092755486044654'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thechurchandstate.blogspot.com/2007/08/state.html' title='The State'/><author><name>Trey Orndorff</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06665587260892133253</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='03688135104785145235'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5623545849600701309.post-2226442355237368341</id><published>2007-08-29T21:28:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2007-08-29T21:28:57.268-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Beginnings</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;It seems necessary to begin with, intuitively enough, a beginning.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;An outline of what this particular piece of bloggish writing will encompass and perhaps attempt to touch on some of the questions which this writer is hoping over time to illuminate.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The title of the blog is ‘Church and State.’&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But not in the traditional sense of separation thereof, instead this is an attempt to explore those very concepts.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sometimes through essay, sometimes through analysis, sometimes through satire this blog is an attempt to answer larger questions about the nature of things.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It may seem ironic that a blog would attempt such a seemingly grandiose purpose.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Can a blog of sorts fulfill such a purpose?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I answer with a resounding maybe!&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;What is the outline for this little insignificant project?&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It arises out of dissatisfaction with the current discourse on two different, yet interrelated, topics:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;church and state.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The church, or religion, is in a decline.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;First mainline Churches adopted practices which have doomed them to a slow, prolonged death.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;A death by strangulation of sorts, the vine which is suffocating these churches is modern liberalism coupled with an embrace of post-structuralist theory.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This process has ceased to be an intriguing question.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Instead, what is fascinating is the related decline of what many would have considered “fundamentalist” churches.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;These evangelical and quasi-evangelical churches are just beginning, abet in their own unique forms, to embrace the mainstreams positions.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The result of these variables seem almost inevitable:&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;similar consequences as have been suffered by the mainline churches.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;What is perhaps different from the earlier forms adopted by the mainstream Christian churches is a third embrace by these ‘fundamentalists:’ consumerism.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The evangelical / quasi-evangelical church has begun to operate like a Starbucks franchise.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It has embraced the consumer mentality and advanced it in concert with an acceptance of modern liberalism and, increasingly, postmodern or poststructuralist theory.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Here at Miami a colleague’s work is focused on mega-churches and consumerism.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;She is a psychology graduate and is not particular Christian, but she finds this a phenomenon which will shape the future of the church and I must agree with her.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The state, in many ways, is suffering a similar identify crisis as the church.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The state of the 21&lt;sup&gt;st&lt;/sup&gt; century is increasingly becoming all-powerful.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Both Republicans and Democrats have both come to accept the fundamental truth that big government is good government.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Regardless of the desirability of this situation, it has created a new set of issues for the definition of government and state.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Both are grappling with a newfound set of normative goals which would have never been considered in political theory only 50 years ago.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As the state increases its size, it must decide an increasing number of issues.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;As government defines these issues it necessarily must make sweeping moral and social decisions and force non-conformers to the margin in its wake.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The cleavages between groups will only grow as the number of areas in which government operates expands and there is no end to the expansion in site.&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;span style="line-height: 115%;font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:11;"  &gt;As these two institutional pillars in the American landscape redefine themselves, our own socio-political system cannot help but undergo a massive shift.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;How we understand and contextual ourselves cannot remain static as such foundational institutions reshape.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is the purpose of this so-called blog to examine these shifts, how they interrelate and react to one another, and to comment on them.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Almost without question our era will be an important one.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;We therefore come full circle to the reason for this so-called blog.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I will be analyzing these structures through essay, through comment, through satire, and a variety of textual forms.&lt;span style=""&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Perhaps it is only the musings of an odd man, but I hope it is more and I hope it is worthwhile for not only me, but for anyone crazy enough to read it with me.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/5623545849600701309-2226442355237368341?l=thechurchandstate.blogspot.com'/&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://thechurchandstate.blogspot.com/feeds/2226442355237368341/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5623545849600701309&amp;postID=2226442355237368341' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5623545849600701309/posts/default/2226442355237368341'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/5623545849600701309/posts/default/2226442355237368341'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://thechurchandstate.blogspot.com/2007/08/it-seems-necessary-to-begin-with.html' title='Beginnings'/><author><name>Trey Orndorff</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06665587260892133253</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='03688135104785145235'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry></feed>